Seeking Plumbing Advice

[jjs777]

Okay...laugh all you want...but if you think your a plumber then I need help.<br><br>Question,<br><br>Say I wanna build a garage. And it will be one of them there fangled garages that has a in-law apartment upstairs with of course the required plumbing. The garage would be slightly down level from the house say about 100 feet away. How would you run the sewer system for the garage if I needed to be able to tap into my own septic in the house?<br><br>The idea of a truck coming by to pump out a septic tank is out of the question. <br><br>How would you do it? It can't be rocket science!<br><br>Help! And no I am unable to afford a licensed plumber for the job (I'd rather put my money towards my bike!) so this will be done myself should I go thru with the project. <p>-John<br>95 FZR1000<br>90 FZR1000<br>90 FZR1040</p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p072.ezboard.com/bexupbrotherhoo ... >jjs777</A>  <IMG HEIGHT=10 WIDTH=10 SRC="http://home.comcast.net/~john.stempien/ ... larger.gif" BORDER=0> at: 3/2/05 2:46 pm<br></i>

[Nbot]

nothing that 5 gallon buckets won't handle<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :lol --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:orange;font-family:century gothic;font-size:medium;">Nbot</span><!--EZCODE FONT END--><br><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:green;font-family:century gothic;font-size:small;">'94 Fizzer Litre</span><!--EZCODE FONT END--><br><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:orange;font-size:small;">This is your sig on drugs....</span><!--EZCODE FONT END--></p><i></i>

[jjs777]

r u volunteering? the job is crap...and does not pay much<br><br><!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :cheers --><img src=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v209/ ... Cheers.gif ALT=":cheers"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p>-John<br>95 FZR1000<br>90 FZR1000<br>90 FZR1040</p><i></i>

[FZRDude]

Swing by Home Depot or Lowes or whatever huge home improvement store and ask. They have helped me a number of times.<br> <p><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v209/ ... <!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:red;font-family:times new roman;font-size:small;">There are some who call me........Tim?</span><!--EZCODE FONT END--><br><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:white;font-family:times new roman;font-size:small;">Director of Entertainment <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://eddieandthecruisersmc.com" target="top">Eddie & the Cruisers</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--></span><!--EZCODE FONT END--> <br><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:blue;font-family:times new roman;font-size:small;">1994 FZR 1000</span><!--EZCODE FONT END--></p><i></i>

[jjs777]

oh gosh...I was hoping know one would say that...<br><br>okay here's the scenario that I can see happening<br><br>I'll end up talking to some jamoake that was a plumber for 40 years...and he'll tell me that it cant be done and that its illegal - where I'll say go pee in the wind and pull up yer trousers...remember...crack is bad...a$$ crack is worse<br><br> <p>-John<br>95 FZR1000<br>90 FZR1000<br>90 FZR1040</p><i></i>

[FZRDude]

Fine, you want me to go ask for you? <br><br><!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :hi --><img src=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v209/ ... Waving.gif ALT=":hi"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v209/ ... <!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:red;font-family:times new roman;font-size:small;">There are some who call me........Tim?</span><!--EZCODE FONT END--><br><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:white;font-family:times new roman;font-size:small;">Director of Entertainment <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://eddieandthecruisersmc.com" target="top">Eddie & the Cruisers</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--></span><!--EZCODE FONT END--> <br><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:blue;font-family:times new roman;font-size:small;">1994 FZR 1000</span><!--EZCODE FONT END--></p><i></i>

[jjs777]

lol....with your luck...the guy will get to chattn with ya and you'll come to find out the guy is a fzr1000 rider and ends up volunteering all his know how to you and your little projects....<br><br>go ahead....make my day!<br><br>prolly just go add the guy to the location check now would ya! <p>-John<br>95 FZR1000<br>90 FZR1000<br>90 FZR1040</p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p072.ezboard.com/bexupbrotherhoo ... >jjs777</A>  <IMG HEIGHT=10 WIDTH=10 SRC="http://home.comcast.net/~john.stempien/ ... larger.gif" BORDER=0> at: 3/2/05 9:15 pm<br></i>

[dragracer1951]

Two things John<br>There are how to books at Lowes of Home Depot of whatever your local home improvement store is called...<br>Go have a look about doing plumbing adn septics.<br>Give your local liberary a shot<br>My Mother in Law for the longest time would save up plumbing jobs fo rme to do when we would drive the 400 miles to her house. The other son in law was there every day...<br>She asks me if I could do a little plumbing job (three minuites after getting out t=of the car) so I said sure, have you got a phone book? she gets the phone book and I get out the cell phone and start calling ...she asks what I'm doing.<br>Calling a plumber sez I.....<br><br><br>Jim<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :cheers --><img src=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v209/ ... Cheers.gif ALT=":cheers"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>

[ExupElvis]

John, I have a little experience with this - having built my own barn.<br> Forget Home depot, any contractor in the business would not ask for help there.<br> Go down to you local DCLU office ( or whatever you guys call department of construction and land use) and get the plumbing specs for your property as it stands now. <br>(sometimes available online if you know your plat #)<br> Get as much info as you can, on grading property lines etc. <br>Start asking around to anyone you can remember - friends of friends of anyone that comes mind to see who you know that might be in the building/construction industry. <br> It's turning over rocks, but sort through enough of them, and you can find someone willing to do side work, who is qualified, and because you did the homework on getting all the paperwork info they will need, will do the work you need or set you up.<br> Be relentless, remember,it's a <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>mother in law apartment</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->, what could be more important than that? <p><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>A little less talk, and a little more satisfaction</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p072.ezboard.com/bexupbrotherhoo ... upElvis</A> at: 3/3/05 3:25 pm<br></i>

[crazyscoot]

Humm....well iv'e come across this problem aswell. Being an electrician i had to supply an inspection chamber with a pump and i think if i remember correctly the pump had a float switch attached to it........when the chamber fills up the pump switches on and hey presto the craps in your pit, not theirs!..........like pass the parcel but with s#*#t! <p></p><i></i>

[ExupElvis]

I guess I misunderstood the question. How about anti-gravity 4" pcv schedule 80? <p><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>A little less talk, and a little more satisfaction</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--></p><i></i>

[exupjon]

ime a gas service engineer also a plumber but us spec is differant to uk am willing to give all the advice i can ,what do want in there sink ,bog ??<br><br> <p>THE EXUP PAINTER </p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p072.ezboard.com/bexupbrotherhoo ... exupjon</A> at: 3/4/05 2:23 pm<br></i>

[jjs777]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>what do want in there sink ,bog ??<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>okay does that translate to sink, toilet ? aka dumper crapper jon etc etc ?<br><br>If so...then yes, full lavatory and laundry services...that would need to travel about 100 feet, and perhaps a 6 foot grade....<br><br>and my issue is...as newton's 4th law stated...sh1t don't travel up hill <p>-John<br>95 FZR1000<br>90 FZR1000<br>90 FZR1040</p><i></i>

[crazyscoot]

make them eat helium........it'll float like a butterfly!!!<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rock --><img src=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v209/ ... ock_On.gif ALT=":rock"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>

[exupjon]

a saniflow emaciatro will do it fine<br> <p>THE EXUP PAINTER </p><i></i>

[jjs777]

okay anyone know if theres any reason I shouldnt have my plumber go with PLASTIC cold/hot water piping rather than expensive copper ?

maybe save a few bucks - plastic is cheaper and easy to install vs copper

thx

[FZRDude]

I'd say it depends on the length of line and the bursting point for each.

[silver]

I used to have a 15X30 darkroom in our previous homes basement. Of course this was prior to God endowing us with parenthood. Now I have casual use of the second bathroom Anyway, I had to pump all of the fluids out through the primary city sewer so I ran a good sized drain pipe into a catch basin where it was pumped up about 6' to the outflow pipe. You can see a diagram similar my construct at :

http://www.plumbingsupply.com/sewage1.html

As to the use of plastic versus PVC, I'll go with plastic as it has nearly the same strength, it's easier to install, is more flexible and much easier to repair.

[jjs777]

update -

so a quick summary of my project scope was to plumb the bathroom on my new second floor including toilet,sink,shower and a laundry room.

since I am in an area with strcit codes and this needs to be inspected I couldnt do it myself

quotes from licensed plumbers ranged from $3800 to $4500 - after speaking with 3-4 plumbers I was upset - this is a simple install !

I ended up landing a plumber who was buddies with my original house addition contractor. His original quote was for $1800 - so I just kept calling him.

Well...1.5 days later its all but done. The cost ? Total cost for plumbing and using PEX plastic cold/hot and pvc waste pipes/vents etc ?

$1500

The other plumbers should be ashamed of themselves and I wish them 30 years of bad luck and hard times.

My wish is for PEX to bring the cost down to the average home owner and keep plumbers from charging outrageous figures.

And dont dare tell me they have to pay for the license.


Compare this...

My electrical guy quoted $9200 (up 2500 due to the cost of copper 2 years ago)

He said he will work with 3-4 people and wire my 2500 square foot addition in about 3 weeks time.

Compare that to 1.5 days for 2 men to rough plumb my bathroom/laundry room.

Plumbers obviously have a best kept secret when it comes to EASY installations.

One plumber (a cousin to a good friend of mine) said the costs right now are about $1500 per fixture.

What ?

toilet == 1500
sink ==1500
shower ==1500
laundry 1500

??

like I said...may they have 30 years bad luck.

If you need to do any plumbing I would highly advise you to consider PEX plastic tubing. Any nay sayers just tell'em and yeah...cast iron waste pipe is making a come back and replacing pvc.

[jjs777]

pics of my heating system for my existing house and house addition

I'm gonna stick with my 75k btu gas boiler - and see how it fairs next heating system once all zones are active against it - if it simply cant support the load I will swap in the new 100k btu unit (i'm doin the black pipe with unions to aid in easy fix/changes in the future)

to include 4 zones

the rehau manifold used makes things nice and easy along with the taco zone valve controller

the rehau supply/return manifold supports 16GPM total and 2GPM per circuit - I will use 4 right away and 2 are for future use perhaps radiant floor heating

currently fitting black pipe to my existing boiler -

interstingly this rehau manifold allows direct attachement of valve actuators on the return portion of the manifold - I ended up buying justs one of them as I had intended on using taco 571-2 units - but these rehau things just screw right on and thats it - no mess no fuss - using the tacos I will have to actually do some sweatn of copper !!!